Posts by Sea Breeze

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Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Sea Breeze

Rattigan,

Your mind is simply ruined. I know you can read and understand the English language.

He did not say that he would be resurrected in 3 days.

Wrong..... that is just EXACTLY what he said he would do. And, that he would do it himself!

I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. - John 10: 17-18

So the Jews said to him, “What sign do you show us for doing these things?” 19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” 20 The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?” 21 But he was speaking about the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken. - John 2: 18-22

It was John who added " he was talking about the temple of his body."

"All scripture is inspired" .... remember? Your willingness to characterize apostles as liars and to eliminate scriptures that do not support your heresy can only be described as breathtaking indifference towards the word of God.

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I've done it: Christmas Lights Outside

by StephaneLaliberte in

lets see if that causes a problem.

i've been inactive for a very long time now (like 10+ years), so, i don't expect to hear anything from it, but my parents are worried i'll get df.

lets see what happens.

Sea Breeze

You all left the religion and claim freedom, but to do things just because the world does them and it is not your idea, is following the world.

Rattigan,

Have you ever done something that wasn't your idea? Are you drawing (or going to be drawing) social security? That wasn't your idea was it? Social security is not even in the bible!

Please repent of your worldly ways.... especially hypocrisy.

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Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Sea Breeze

Rattigan,

Please explain how Jesus can have ALL POWER IN HEAVEN AND EARTH while and the same time declare the Father is greater than he.

How can Jesus raise himself from the dead, while dead, without being God? Doesn't that make him a false prophet if he didn't?

How can he have the highest name in the universe, even higher than Jehovah? ("the name that is above every name" - Phil 2: 9)

This chart explains how all those statements are true:

If you cannot explain these seeming contradictions with your unbiblical view, then just admit that your view has failed to reconcile all the scriptures.... And ALL the scriptures are inspired, not just the ones you like.

You got the wrong Jesus Rattigan. Unless of course you can logically and coherently answer the questions your view raises.

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Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Sea Breeze

Rattigan,

You are just ripping out verses you don't like, just like Watchtower does. You seem to claim to want to believe Jesus, but you do not want to believe his hand picked apostles who were full of the holy spirit as they wrote scripture.

You believe the bible when you want to.

Care to expalin how Jesus resurrected himself from the dead while he was dead, without being God?

In John 2:19 Jesus predicts that He will raise Himself from the dead (see also John 10:18). Try raising yourself from the dead, while dead.

Jesus did something infinitely greater than simply declaring he was God. Anyone can do that.

Yea, he was God alright. No doubt about it.

"I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE" - JESUS

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Why so many cult leaders have weird relationship issues and dysfunctional marriages?

by buzkid in

why do so many cult leaders have weird relationship issues and dysfunctional marriages?russell coudn't get along with his wife mariah.

rutherford had trouble with his wife and sent her away.. eric wilson says it's o.k.

if you don't get legally married as long as you have a "spiritual marriage" in his latest video response to the situation of people coming forward complaining about the abusive religious tactics his "wife" practices and he condones.. i ask this question in a previous post but it deserves it's own discussion definitely:why is it that so many cult leaders have weird relationship issues and dysfunctional marriages?.

Sea Breeze

The devill uses spiritual Jujitsu. This is where you do not directly oppose the direction of force from an opponent. You simply step aside and "help" the opponents' strength to facilitate his own downfall.

When a fleshly, unsaved person reads the bible the enemy will try to make him feel special, superior. He begins to wonder why others are not a spiritual as he is. He begins to reason that God must have special plans for someone with as much to offer as he does. In extreme cases, he may see himslf prophesied in scriptutre - "that" faithful and wise servant".

He begins to see his criticalness of others as really a spiritual gift from God - the gift of "discernment".

The reality is they are in fact turning into a bigger jackass than what they were previously. There is an old saying, "If you really want to find out how someone is doing, just ask their spouse".

If you are a self-centered jackass, you can usually fool many people. But, you won't be able to fool the spouse (or children) who live with you.

Hope that helps.

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Who Directs the Activitie$ and Doctrines of the Hovering Body?

by Sea Breeze in

jehovah’s witnesses boast that theirs is a “spirit-directed organization”.. see w88 3/1 pp.

10-17 (my life in jehovah’s spirit-directed organization).

they believe that their deceased founder, charles taze russell (who faced legal action by his wife for inappropriate behavior in his maids bedroom), is directing the modern-day work of jehovah’s witnesses.. after the founder, c t russell died, it was stated that he was still directing the work from heaven.. "though pastor russell has passed beyond the veil, he is still managing every feature of the harvest work.

Sea Breeze

They now advise they are not inspired or directed and can be wrong.

Here's how that works:

If something stays the same - it is from Jehovah.

If they need to change something, (like maybe stop putting kids on the street that are not as gullible as their parents to get more cash from Satan$ goventments), then that was a mistake made by fallible men that needs to be corrected by Jehovah.

Heads I win, tails you lose.

Any questions?

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Theocratic Warfare and Taqiyya

by aqwsed12345 in

the concept of strategic deception exists in several religious and ideological contexts.

in this article, we will explore and compare the theocratic warfare doctrine of the watchtower society and taqiyya in islam.

both concepts have parallels in their mechanisms of permitting deception for religious purposes but differ significantly in their application and historical roots.. 1. theocratic warfare: the "rahab method".

Sea Breeze

Come the weekend...at the Assembly...during the elders meeting...the same brothers raised their hands to approve lying on the accounts report read to all the JWs attending the Assembly.

@Balaamsass2

Can you eplain a little bit more how this deception was carried out and for what purpose? More donations?

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Who Directs the Activitie$ and Doctrines of the Hovering Body?

by Sea Breeze in

jehovah’s witnesses boast that theirs is a “spirit-directed organization”.. see w88 3/1 pp.

10-17 (my life in jehovah’s spirit-directed organization).

they believe that their deceased founder, charles taze russell (who faced legal action by his wife for inappropriate behavior in his maids bedroom), is directing the modern-day work of jehovah’s witnesses.. after the founder, c t russell died, it was stated that he was still directing the work from heaven.. "though pastor russell has passed beyond the veil, he is still managing every feature of the harvest work.

Sea Breeze

Jehovah’s Witnesses boast that theirs is a “spirit-directed organization”.

See w88 3/1 pp. 10-17 (My Life in Jehovah’s Spirit-Directed Organization)

They believe that their deceased founder, Charles Taze Russell (who faced legal action by his wife for inappropriate behavior in his maids bedroom), is directing the modern-day work of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

After the founder, C T Russell died, it was stated that he was still directing the work from heaven.

"Though Pastor Russell has passed beyond the veil, he is still managing every feature of the harvest work." The Finished Mystery (1917) p.144

This was later expanded to include other spirits of the dead:

"This suggests that resurrected ones of the 24-elders group may be involved in the communicating of divine truths today." Revelation - Its Grand Climax (1988) p.125

So you see, the Jehovah’s Witnesses have no need for any personal revelation from God, the bible, or anything else from God. They are directed from “beyond the veil”, by spirits.

Any questions?

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Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Sea Breeze

Yes, it's a common objection that if Jesus Christ is God, why did He not clearly and directly declare it? The argument that Jesus never explicitly says the words "I am God" and therefore cannot be fully divine misunderstands the way Jesus communicated His identity and the way Scripture reveals theological truths.

And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. - 1 Thess. 5: 23
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. - Hebrews 4 : 12
God is a Spirit - John 4: 24

The reason that JW's and others that except their heresy have a hard time accepting that Jesus is God is not because they have a hard time imagining the nature of God. It is because, they cannot imagine their own nature... they reject the biblical definition of the nature of man. For a secularist, their most highly protected pet belief is that when you die, you will be unconscious. The biblical idea that a person will still be conscious somewhere for eternity, is utter terror for them to accept. For them, that reality must be suppressed at all cost.

The chart above clearly illustrates how Jesus (using scriptural definitions) is both fully man and fully God at the same time.

This explains so-called "contradictions" that those using secular definitions of words must ignore to promote the concept that Jesus was less that God ... like:

1. Jesus has all power in heaven and earth, yet his father is greater than he

2. No one knows the day of the hour except the father

3. How could he resurrect himself from the dead as he predicted, while he was dead.

Not only did Jesus rightly accept worship, forgive sins and accept people calling him "God",(Jn. 20:28); he did something that no one could duplicate unless they were God... resurrect himself from the dead, while he was dead.

I lay down my life, that I might take it again....No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again....And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him? Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind? - John 10: 17-21

While people struggled with Jesus' miracles and predictions before he was cricified, most understood his nature perfectly clear after he resurrected himself from the dead.

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I need to vent sorry!

by KerryKing in

i couldn't get back to sleep last night, something my father said a few weeks ago popped into my head.. we were talking about obtaining citizenship, he doesn't need it, but was contemplating what benefits it could get him now he's a pensioner.. background : i've been disfellowhipped for 15 years, i was born in, he is an elder, very much pimi, he was also born in.. i said to him how citizenship would be difficult for him as it would require him to swear allegiance to the state?.

oh he said, thats just a crowd of people together in a big room for the swearing in event, it would be easy to just mumble or say nothing, nobody would know.. this has quietly been eating away in my mind, why did it bother me?.

last night it hit me, when i was in my first year of school, age 5, i came out of school one day with a balloon with two little pencils attached, a gift from a classmate who's birthday it was, every child got one.

Sea Breeze

That’s why I want to see a class action lawsuit.filed.

I'm with Biahi on this. Count me in!

Where are all the hotshot lawyers that would be willing to do this? I started trying to leave home and make it on my own since I was 14. I would have gnawed off my left arm to escape the hour-long diet of spittle-spewing scare sessions about death, destruction and apocalypse scenarios. As bad as that was, the emotional vaccuum that is characterized by JW families was worse. It just ate at you like a cancer. Growing up JW was like trying to live in a sensory deprivation chamber.

The last grade I completed was the 8th grade. By age 16 I took a job as a travelling salesman to get away from my family. I should have been in school, should have been allowed to make friends, play sports, etc.

The Jehovah's Witnesses are a criminal organization who targets children in order to screw them up psychologically, while they rip off your families wealth when your parents die.

The ideology turns people into the biggest jaskasses anyone can even imagine. How anyone can retain positive views (as expressed many times on this forumn) of this association can only be described as Stockholm Syndrome in my opinion.